Earth-Mars Trade - Revision history

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	'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based. However, Robert Zubrin, in his book "The Case for Mars", calculated that physical products that cost as much or more than gold / kg, could be sent to Earth profitably.		'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based.

			However, Robert Zubrin, in his book "The Case for Mars", calculated that physical products that cost as much or more than gold / kg, could be sent to Earth profitably.

	==Short-Term Business Models==		==Short-Term Business Models==
	Initial business models could resemble those similar to the ones used by many small nations, such as the Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, and some Pacific islands. Like the first Martian [[settlement\|settlements]], these nations cannot rely on large pools of labor, infrastructure, or abundant [[natural resources]].		Initial business models could resemble those similar to the ones used by many small nations, such as the Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, and some Pacific islands. Like the first Martian [[settlement\|settlements]], these nations cannot rely on large pools of labor, infrastructure, or abundant [[natural resources]].

RichardWSmith: Discussed that more products could be shipped to Earth if cost of shipping dropped.

2021-03-27T13:45:44Z

Discussed that more products could be shipped to Earth if cost of shipping dropped.

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	People might pay to have their ashes buried on Mars.		People might pay to have their ashes buried on Mars.

	== Physical Materials ==		==Physical Materials==
			The key driver for what products can be shipped from Mars to Earth is the cost of doing so. As of this writing (2021, March), gold costs ~$75,000 / kg and could be profitably shipped back to Earth with today's technology. However, [[Sky ramps]], [[Mass driver]]<nowiki/>s, or [[Space elevator]]<nowiki/>s could all significantly decrease the cost of shipping goods to Earth. Further bulk goods, that can be stored inexpensively in vacuum, might ship cheaper than items that require life support.

	'''Metals'''		'''Metals'''

RichardWSmith: Discussed selling patents. Also added a section of substances which would be profitable to ship to Earth from Mars.

2021-03-27T13:24:56Z

Discussed selling patents. Also added a section of substances which would be profitable to ship to Earth from Mars.

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	'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based.		'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based. However, Robert Zubrin, in his book "The Case for Mars", calculated that physical products that cost as much or more than gold / kg, could be sent to Earth profitably.
	==Short-Term Business Models==		==Short-Term Business Models==
	Initial business models could resemble those similar to the ones used by many small nations, such as the Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, and some Pacific islands. Like the first Martian [[settlement\|settlements]], these nations cannot rely on large pools of labor, infrastructure, or abundant [[natural resources]].		Initial business models could resemble those similar to the ones used by many small nations, such as the Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, and some Pacific islands. Like the first Martian [[settlement\|settlements]], these nations cannot rely on large pools of labor, infrastructure, or abundant [[natural resources]].
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	===Science===		===Science===
	=====Scientific Lease=====		=====Scientific Lease=====
	A settlement can lease space and sell resources to governments or institutions that want to send their scientists to Mars. ~~Alternately~~,		A settlement can lease space and sell resources to governments or institutions that want to send their scientists to Mars. If Martian colonists invent local technology (example, radiation hardened electronics), then the patents for such products to be licensed to Earth firms.
	=====Research for Hire=====		=====Research for Hire=====
	Skilled settlers could be paid to do scientific research.		Skilled settlers could be paid to do scientific research.
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	People on Mars will be earning money on Earth. All of a settlement's initial population needs to come from Earth, and they will own properties on Earth that generate revenue that they will spend on Mars. A business owner can own a chain of shoe stores and live and spend his profits on Mars. A real estate owner can collect rent from Earth, and spend it on Mars. A shareholder, or anyone with any form of pension, can get revenue from Earth and spend it on Mars. And some of the things that they buy will come from Earth.		People on Mars will be earning money on Earth. All of a settlement's initial population needs to come from Earth, and they will own properties on Earth that generate revenue that they will spend on Mars. A business owner can own a chain of shoe stores and live and spend his profits on Mars. A real estate owner can collect rent from Earth, and spend it on Mars. A shareholder, or anyone with any form of pension, can get revenue from Earth and spend it on Mars. And some of the things that they buy will come from Earth.

	===== Production equipment =====		=====Production equipment=====
	An experienced manufacturer might buy equipment on Earth for local production on Mars. As soon as in-situ resources are available, transforming these resources into products become a viable proposition. So machines will be bought on Earth and moved to Mars.		An experienced manufacturer might buy equipment on Earth for local production on Mars. As soon as in-situ resources are available, transforming these resources into products become a viable proposition. So machines will be bought on Earth and moved to Mars.

	===== Rare ressources =====		=====Rare ressources=====
	Electronics can be bought on Earth and moved to Mars to incorporate into local products. Rare Earth metals, catalysts, vitamins and minerals, dyes and inks can all be made on Earth and transported to Mars to complete local products.		Electronics can be bought on Earth and moved to Mars to incorporate into local products. Rare Earth metals, catalysts, vitamins and minerals, dyes and inks can all be made on Earth and transported to Mars to complete local products.

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	People might pay to have their ashes buried on Mars.		People might pay to have their ashes buried on Mars.

			== Physical Materials ==
			'''Metals'''

			Gold, Platinium, Iridium, and other high valuable metals could be shipped back to Earth at a profit. Given that Mars will likely have unexploited metal ores, this may form an early part of Mars' economy.

			'''Deuterium'''

			Deuterium is 'heavy hydrogen' (with one neutron rather than the more normal zero neutrons). It is found in hydrogen (normally part of water), and is 4 times more common on Mars than on Earth. If Fusion reactors were to be invented, it might be worthwhile to ship Deuterium from Mars to Earth.

			'''Gemstones'''

			It is likely that opals will be found on Mars, and other gemstones are possible. People might be willing to pay a premium for gems from another world. Some gems (such as large diamonds), could be shipped from Mars to Earth profitably, without requiring a premium.
	[[Category:Commerce and Economics]]		[[Category:Commerce and Economics]]

Michel Lamontagne at 04:49, 25 April 2019

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	===Consumer Goods and Services===		===Consumer Goods and Services===
			People on Mars will be earning money on Earth. All of a settlement's initial population needs to come from Earth, and they will own properties on Earth that generate revenue that they will spend on Mars. A business owner can own a chain of shoe stores and live and spend his profits on Mars. A real estate owner can collect rent from Earth, and spend it on Mars. A shareholder, or anyone with any form of pension, can get revenue from Earth and spend it on Mars. And some of the things that they buy will come from Earth.

			===== Production equipment =====
			An experienced manufacturer might buy equipment on Earth for local production on Mars. As soon as in-situ resources are available, transforming these resources into products become a viable proposition. So machines will be bought on Earth and moved to Mars.

			===== Rare ressources =====
			Electronics can be bought on Earth and moved to Mars to incorporate into local products. Rare Earth metals, catalysts, vitamins and minerals, dyes and inks can all be made on Earth and transported to Mars to complete local products.

	=====Tourism=====		=====Tourism=====
	Certain people with a lot of money have historically been interested in [[Space Tourism]], even when there are significant risks. So, [[Mars tourism]] is an even more exotic challenge.		Certain people with a lot of money have historically been interested in [[Space Tourism]], even when there are significant risks. So, [[Mars tourism]] is an even more exotic challenge.

Jburk at 21:22, 17 December 2018

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	People might pay to have their ashes buried on Mars.		People might pay to have their ashes buried on Mars.

	[[~~category~~:Commerce]]		[[Category:Commerce and Economics]]

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	'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based.		'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based.
	~~Gosh that's~~ a ~~bizarre tuohght~~! I'~~d have no idea what I'd do/think if~~ that ~~were possible~~, ~~and~~ to a ~~point I tend~~ to ~~agree~~ with ~~what Lauren said~~, ~~about whether or not we'd~~ be ~~able~~ to ~~look after another planet if we can~~'~~t even look after~~ the ~~one we live~~ on ~~currently!~~		==Short-Term Business Models==
			Initial business models could resemble those similar to the ones used by many small nations, such as the Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, and some Pacific islands. Like the first Martian [[settlement\|settlements]], these nations cannot rely on large pools of labor, infrastructure, or abundant [[natural resources]].

			===Information Services===
			=====[[Offworld backup]]=====
			Offsite backup is a vital aspect of [[data security]] for any business. It ensures data backup in the event of [[natural disasters]]. No location could be more offsite than Mars!
			=====[[Internet domain sale]]=====
			People could buy the .mars domain.
			=====Consultancy=====
			Established colonies can advise governments and corporations in their own exploration/colonization efforts.

			===Financial Services===
			{{expandsec}}
			=====Offworld Banking=====
			=====Tax Shelter=====
			=====Investment=====
			=====Flag of Convenience=====
			As on [[Earth]], a sovereign martian state can sell ship registration. Initially, this would apply only to marine vessels, but it may be expanded to space vessels in the future. A vessel's registration determines which laws are in effect for its occupants when it is in international waters.

			===Science===
			=====Scientific Lease=====
			A settlement can lease space and sell resources to governments or institutions that want to send their scientists to Mars. Alternately,
			=====Research for Hire=====
			Skilled settlers could be paid to do scientific research.
			=====Hazardous Research Facility=====
			An irradiated near-vacuum environment is a near-perfect biological barrier . Any facility would necessarily be isolated from the colony, of course. It would be the perfect location for biotechnology research without the risk to terrestrial life.
			=====[[Education]]=====
			Martian scientists and professors can record lectures and presentations that can be sold to schools, colleges, and universities.

			===Consumer Goods and Services===
			=====Tourism=====
			Certain people with a lot of money have historically been interested in [[Space Tourism]], even when there are significant risks. So, [[Mars tourism]] is an even more exotic challenge.
			=====[[TV rights]]=====
			Reality shows, etc.
			=====Licensed Merchandise=====
			While Mars itself cannot be trademarked, likenesses of the [[settlement]]/settlers could be. Possibilities include stamps, coins, playsets, etc. First colonists would likely gain celebrity status. These goods would be manufactured on [[Earth]], due to the cost savings.
			=====Commercial Sponsorship=====
			Companies may pay to place a logo on a wall, use "the official << ''insert commercial product here'' >> of Mars" in advertising.
			=====Genetic Legacy=====
			Ensure your genetic legacy by sending your sperm/eggs/embryos to Mars. Having descendants on two worlds is more secure.

			===Real Estate===
			=====Land Speculation=====
			While historically not the most respectable business, an actual presence on Mars lends much more credibility to the transaction.
			=====Martian Cemetery=====
			People might pay to have their ashes buried on Mars.

			[[category:Commerce]]

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2012-12-06T13:06:54Z

Short-Term Business Models

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	'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based.		'''Earth-Mars trade''' will likely be the primary form of [[:category:commerce\|commerce]] for the first Martian settlements. This trade is limited by the great distance between [[Earth]] and [[Mars]], and the enormous cost of lifting goods out of the [[gravity]] well of the two planets. The majority of the commerce will necessarily be information-based.
	~~==Short-Term Business Models==~~		Gosh that's a bizarre tuohght! I'd have no idea what I'd do/think if that were possible, and to a point I tend to agree with what Lauren said, about whether or not we'd be able to look after another planet if we can't even look after the one we live on currently!
	Initial business models could resemble those similar to the ones used by many small nations, such as the Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, and some Pacific islands. Like the first Martian [[settlement\|settlements]], these nations cannot rely on large pools of labor, infrastructure, or abundant [[natural resources]].

	~~===Information Services===~~
	~~=====[[Offworld backup]]=====~~
	~~Offsite backup is~~ a ~~vital aspect of [[data security]] for any business. It ensures data backup in the event of [[natural disasters]]. No location could be more offsite than Mars~~!
	~~=====[[Internet domain sale]]=====~~
	~~People could buy the .mars domain.~~
	~~=====Consultancy=====~~
	~~Established colonies can advise governments and corporations in their own exploration~~/~~colonization efforts.~~

	~~===Financial Services===~~
	~~{{expandsec}}~~
	~~=====Offworld Banking=====~~
	~~=====Tax Shelter=====~~
	~~=====Investment=====~~
	~~=====Flag of Convenience=====~~
	As on [[Earth]], a sovereign martian state can sell ship registration. Initially, this would apply only to marine vessels, but it may be expanded to space vessels in the future. A vessel's registration determines which laws are in effect for its occupants when it is in international waters.

	~~===Science===~~
	~~=====Scientific Lease=====~~
	~~A settlement can lease space and sell resources to governments or institutions~~ that ~~want to send their scientists to Mars. Alternately,~~
	~~=====Research for Hire=====~~
	~~Skilled settlers could be paid to do scientific research.~~
	~~=====Hazardous Research Facility=====~~
	~~An irradiated near-vacuum environment is a near-perfect biological barrier . Any facility would necessarily be isolated from the colony~~, ~~of course. It would be the perfect location for biotechnology research without the risk to terrestrial life.~~
	~~=====[[Education]]=====~~
	~~Martian scientists and professors can record lectures~~ and ~~presentations that can be sold~~ to ~~schools, colleges, and universities.~~

	~~===Consumer Goods and Services===~~
	~~=====Tourism=====~~
	~~Certain people with~~ a ~~lot of money have historically been interested in [[Space Tourism]], even when there are significant risks. So, [[Mars tourism]] is an even more exotic challenge.~~
	~~=====[[TV rights]]=====~~
	~~Reality shows, etc.~~
	~~=====Licensed Merchandise=====~~
	While Mars itself cannot be trademarked, likenesses of the [[settlement]]/settlers could be. Possibilities include stamps, coins, playsets, etc. First colonists would likely gain celebrity status. These goods would be manufactured on [[Earth]], due to the cost savings.
	I~~'ve been reading chzpliila.org for years but recently stopped. Someone needs~~ to ~~take that old dog out back and shoot it. Honestly its no better than the BBC anymore.However~~, your bog is informative, interesting, and most importantly delivers a good dose of humour. These days, the only two sites I visit for tech commentary are your blog and overclockers.com. Its a sad state of affairs as computers and other related tech lose there wild west appeal and become like any other appliance. I guess it makes sense that most tech sites will go down the drain but I guess its the end of an era. (Hey kinda like the olympics!) Sorry about ~~the wall-o-text :p Have a good one and if possible I~~'d ~~rather not have this published, I really only meant it for you~~ to ~~see but do as you will.~~

	~~=====Genetic Legacy=====~~
	~~Ensure your genetic legacy by sending your sperm/eggs/embryos to Mars. Having descendants on two worlds is more secure.~~

	~~===Real Estate===~~
	~~=====Land Speculation=====~~
	~~While historically not~~ the ~~most respectable business, an actual presence~~ on ~~Mars lends much more credibility to the transaction.~~
	Rand walks out of the main entrance and sees a huge crowd of peolpe staring hungrily at him- Let me guess. You are all from the Myst Movie Website and you are here to observe our Myst memiorabelia (slaughtered another word!) and otherwise pilfer all that lies within . -Wishtar: CHAARRGE!

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2012-12-06T12:06:26Z

Commercial Sponsorship

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	=====Licensed Merchandise=====		=====Licensed Merchandise=====
	While Mars itself cannot be trademarked, likenesses of the [[settlement]]/settlers could be. Possibilities include stamps, coins, playsets, etc. First colonists would likely gain celebrity status. These goods would be manufactured on [[Earth]], due to the cost savings.		While Mars itself cannot be trademarked, likenesses of the [[settlement]]/settlers could be. Possibilities include stamps, coins, playsets, etc. First colonists would likely gain celebrity status. These goods would be manufactured on [[Earth]], due to the cost savings.
	~~=====Commercial Sponsorship=====~~		I've been reading chzpliila.org for years but recently stopped. Someone needs to take that old dog out back and shoot it. Honestly its no better than the BBC anymore.However, your bog is informative, interesting, and most importantly delivers a good dose of humour. These days, the only two sites I visit for tech commentary are your blog and overclockers.com. Its a sad state of affairs as computers and other related tech lose there wild west appeal and become like any other appliance. I guess it makes sense that most tech sites will go down the drain but I guess its the end of an era. (Hey kinda like the olympics!) Sorry about the wall-o-text :p Have a good one and if possible I'd rather not have this published, I really only meant it for you to see but do as you will.
	~~Companies may pay~~ to ~~place~~ a ~~logo on~~ a wall, ~~use "the official << ''insert commercial product here'' >> of Mars" in advertising~~.
	=====Genetic Legacy=====		=====Genetic Legacy=====
	Ensure your genetic legacy by sending your sperm/eggs/embryos to Mars. Having descendants on two worlds is more secure.		Ensure your genetic legacy by sending your sperm/eggs/embryos to Mars. Having descendants on two worlds is more secure.

85.90.62.254: /* Martian Cemetery */

2012-12-06T10:54:22Z

Martian Cemetery

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	=====Land Speculation=====		=====Land Speculation=====
	While historically not the most respectable business, an actual presence on Mars lends much more credibility to the transaction.		While historically not the most respectable business, an actual presence on Mars lends much more credibility to the transaction.
	~~=====Martian Cemetery=====~~		Rand walks out of the main entrance and sees a huge crowd of peolpe staring hungrily at him- Let me guess. You are all from the Myst Movie Website and you are here to observe our Myst memiorabelia (slaughtered another word!) and otherwise pilfer all that lies within . -Wishtar: CHAARRGE!
	~~People might pay~~ to ~~have their ashes buried on Mars~~.

	~~[[category~~:~~Commerce]]~~

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2012-12-05T06:49:14Z

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	=====Licensed Merchandise=====		=====Licensed Merchandise=====
	While Mars itself cannot be trademarked, likenesses of the [[settlement]]/settlers could be. Possibilities include stamps, coins, playsets, etc. First colonists would likely gain celebrity status. These goods would be manufactured on [[Earth]], due to the cost savings.		While Mars itself cannot be trademarked, likenesses of the [[settlement]]/settlers could be. Possibilities include stamps, coins, playsets, etc. First colonists would likely gain celebrity status. These goods would be manufactured on [[Earth]], due to the cost savings.
	~~At least the mostly vereatgian diet in India should make your bypasses last~~ a ~~bit longer. Hopefully sonny boy should be about through with university by now, making your burdens less. Somehow dotage does not seem~~ a ~~term that can be successfully applied to you~~, ~~so we will all watch these parts for the next escapade. You did great things at~~ the ~~The~~'~~s , but leadership gives a flavor to a spot that is difficult to reproduce. New management attracts new and different talent with different interests and approaches. I~~'m glad that you are posting some items on India itself and your experience of it, because most of us have only the faintest idea of it. I have many friends who have visited there and worked with many people from there, but most from there did not really want to talk about their background. It is such an old and intricate set of cultures that it is hard to grasp it even when one has lots of facts about it. Until I went looking for you this time, I was not aware of your background with things in India, though I noted that you had a fair number of writers from there. I'~~ll follow a little closer now. I~~'~~m glad that you are still~~ in ~~the business, as I believe that the field would be more than a bit poorer without you~~.		=====Commercial Sponsorship=====
			Companies may pay to place a logo on a wall, use "the official << ''insert commercial product here'' >> of Mars" in advertising.
	=====Genetic Legacy=====		=====Genetic Legacy=====
	Ensure your genetic legacy by sending your sperm/eggs/embryos to Mars. Having descendants on two worlds is more secure.		Ensure your genetic legacy by sending your sperm/eggs/embryos to Mars. Having descendants on two worlds is more secure.