Marspedia talk:Captcha - Revision history

Rfc: it works fine

2008-03-06T07:35:46Z

it works fine

Mdelaney at 04:53, 27 February 2008

2008-02-27T04:53:33Z

Mdelaney at 00:33, 26 February 2008

2008-02-26T00:33:15Z

Rfc: The correction is ready for installation

2008-02-20T08:00:28Z

The correction is ready for installation

Rfc: initialization of $oldtext

2008-02-15T08:36:01Z

initialization of $oldtext

Rfc: peculiar

2008-02-14T20:15:41Z

peculiar

Mdelaney at 16:43, 14 February 2008

2008-02-14T16:43:09Z

Rfc: link corrected

2008-02-14T13:13:28Z

link corrected

Rfc: it's almost done

2008-02-14T13:08:44Z

it's almost done

Rfc at 07:06, 14 February 2008

2008-02-14T07:06:18Z

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	::Rfc, I've installed the new version on [http://www.exoplatz.org Exoplatz] and set it to use "SimpleCaptcha" so you can see the prompts. Please check it out when you have a chance. -- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 04:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)		::Rfc, I've installed the new version on [http://www.exoplatz.org Exoplatz] and set it to use "SimpleCaptcha" so you can see the prompts. Please check it out when you have a chance. -- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 04:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	:::Hi Mike, it works fine! Just like it is meant to work. Yippiyeah! Okay, testing is passed, you may install it on the other wikis, as well. Thanks for your help and your patience. -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 07:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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	:I'll try to get to it this week Rfc, I've been otherwise occupied with real life stuff.<br />		:I'll try to get to it this week Rfc, I've been otherwise occupied with real life stuff.<br />
	:-- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 00:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)		:-- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 00:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	::Rfc, I've installed the new version on [http://www.exoplatz.org Exoplatz] and set it to use "SimpleCaptcha" so you can see the prompts. Please check it out when you have a chance. -- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 04:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

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	The correction is ready for installation. Please try ... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 08:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)		The correction is ready for installation. Please try ... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 08:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	:I'll try to get to it this week Rfc, I've been otherwise occupied with real life stuff.<br />
		+	:-- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 00:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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	After some additional analyzing I suspect the contents of the variable ''$oldtext'' is not as I assumed, probably it is not initialized. Unfortunately I have no installed wikimedia system, making it hard to analyze the full source code. And, even worse, I can not test it. But I found that ''$oldtext'' is afterwards initialized by the existing addurl trigger, which proofs the initialization of this variable does not do any harm to the system. Hence, I can (and probably should) do the same initialization in the gibberish trigger. So I put an additional line into the gibberish trigger on [[Marspedia:Captcha]]. This makes sure ''$oldtext'' is filled appropriately. Please try ... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 08:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)		After some additional analyzing I suspect the contents of the variable ''$oldtext'' is not as I assumed, probably it is not initialized. Unfortunately I have no installed wikimedia system, making it hard to analyze the full source code. And, even worse, I can not test it. But I found that ''$oldtext'' is afterwards initialized by the existing addurl trigger, which proofs the initialization of this variable does not do any harm to the system. Hence, I can (and probably should) do the same initialization in the gibberish trigger. So I put an additional line into the gibberish trigger on [[Marspedia:Captcha]]. This makes sure ''$oldtext'' is filled appropriately. Please try ... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 08:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	The correction is ready for installation. Please try ... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 08:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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	Are my conclusions correct? Still I do not really know, why the gibberish trigger on Exoplatz is behaving so peculiar. I should like to know what the first characters of $oldtext and $newtext really are. I will think it over. -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 20:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		Are my conclusions correct? Still I do not really know, why the gibberish trigger on Exoplatz is behaving so peculiar. I should like to know what the first characters of $oldtext and $newtext really are. I will think it over. -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 20:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	After some additional analyzing I suspect the contents of the variable ''$oldtext'' is not as I assumed, probably it is not initialized. Unfortunately I have no installed wikimedia system, making it hard to analyze the full source code. And, even worse, I can not test it. But I found that ''$oldtext'' is afterwards initialized by the existing addurl trigger, which proofs the initialization of this variable does not do any harm to the system. Hence, I can (and probably should) do the same initialization in the gibberish trigger. So I put an additional line into the gibberish trigger on [[Marspedia:Captcha]]. This makes sure ''$oldtext'' is filled appropriately. Please try ... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 08:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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	:-- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 16:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		:-- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 16:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	Hi Mike, I did some test on Marspedia some minutes ago. The result was a captcha, combined with ''"Warning: Missing argument 3 for SimpleCaptcha::gibberishCheck(), called ..."''. The result was the same, no matter where I inserted some text, and no matter if I edited a section or the whole text. As a conclusion I assume my correction("$oldtext added") is not implemented. Without the correction this result meets my expectations. Yes, the fault has the side effect to pop up the gibberish captcha for any edit.
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		+	I also did some test on Exoplatz. The result was as follows: When I edit a section no captcha pops up, which is as it should be. As a conclusion I assume my correction("$oldtext added") is implemented. But if I edit the whole page the gibberish captcha pops up, no matter where in the page I change the text. This is not as it should be. Instead, the captcha should only pop up, if I change the first character of the text. On Exoplatz a ''warning'' is never shown, which is another proof the correction is installed.
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		+	Are my conclusions correct? Still I do not really know, why the gibberish trigger on Exoplatz is behaving so peculiar. I should like to know what the first characters of $oldtext and $newtext really are. I will think it over. -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 20:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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	Hi Mike, there is a detailed instruction how to setup the ''FancyCaptcha addon extension'' in [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha here]. I think it is compatible with the gibberish trigger.		Hi Mike, there is a detailed instruction how to setup the ''FancyCaptcha addon extension'' in [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha here]. I think it is compatible with the gibberish trigger.
	As far as I can see, you have already installed everything on Marspedia, except my correction("$oldtext added"). -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 13:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		As far as I can see, you have already installed everything on Marspedia, except my correction("$oldtext added"). -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 13:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	:Hi Rfc, perhaps I should have phrased things better. I deactivated FancyCaptcha on Exoplatz so I could see whether the gibberish trigger was working. As far as installing FancyCaptcha is concerned, I only need to change "''$wgCaptchaClass = 'SimpleCaptcha';''" back to "''$wgCaptchaClass = 'FancyCaptcha';''" in ConfirmEdit.php. Just as on our other wikis, I installed FancyCaptcha when I installed ConfirmEdit.
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		+	:FancyCaptcha doesn't deliver it's messages from ConfirmEdit.i18n.php but from FancyCaptcha.i18n.php. As a result we were not seeing the message for the gibberish trigger. I suspect the gibberish trigger would have to be added to the FancyCaptcha files.
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		+	:One thing Strangelv and I noticed is that the gibberish trigger is activated for ''all'' edits within the first 5 lines of a page. Even the text "This looks like an interesting test." on the second line of a page triggered a gibberish captcha. As did the phrase "Will this trigger a gibberish captcha?" at the bottom of a page. In both these cases I was logged in as a regular user. Is there any way to make the trigger less prone to false positives?
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		+	:-- [[User:Mdelaney\|Mdelaney]] 16:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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 Well, I have given it another try on Exoplatz - and found it working perfectly fine. I will look for the FancyCaptcha php code and let you know what we can do with it. -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 07:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
-Hi Mike, there is a detailed instruction how to setup the ''FancyCaptcha addon extension'' in [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha addon www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit]. I think it is compatible with the gibberish trigger.
+Hi Mike, there is a detailed instruction how to setup the ''FancyCaptcha addon extension'' in [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha here]. I think it is compatible with the gibberish trigger.
 As far as I can see, you have already installed everything on Marspedia, except my correction("$oldtext added"). -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 13:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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	Well, I have given it another try on Exoplatz - and found it working perfectly fine. I will look for the FancyCaptcha php code and let you know what we can do with it. -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 07:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		Well, I have given it another try on Exoplatz - and found it working perfectly fine. I will look for the FancyCaptcha php code and let you know what we can do with it. -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 07:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	Hi Mike, there is a detailed instruction how to setup the ''FancyCaptcha addon extension'' in [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#FancyCaptcha addon www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit]. I think it is compatible with the gibberish trigger.
		+	As far as I can see, you have already installed everything on Marspedia, except my correction("$oldtext added"). -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 13:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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	::::Okay, the message looks fine, but the error is still there. It looks as if my correction("$oldtext added") is not implemented. Please see my latest edit in [[Marspedia:Captcha]].		::::Okay, the message looks fine, but the error is still there. It looks as if my correction("$oldtext added") is not implemented. Please see my latest edit in [[Marspedia:Captcha]].
	::::The SimpleCaptcha is not as safe as the FancyCaptcha. Maybe I should find out how to do it with the latter... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 19:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)		::::The SimpleCaptcha is not as safe as the FancyCaptcha. Maybe I should find out how to do it with the latter... -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 19:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	Well, I have given it another try on Exoplatz - and found it working perfectly fine. I will look for the FancyCaptcha php code and let you know what we can do with it. -- [[User:Rfc\|Rfc]] 07:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)