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:I will make a moderate estimate of one-half-trillion dollars for a human piloted mission to Mars. For this one would get five people and their return vehicle to Mars. I would dispense with the return vehicle and instead assume the development of the artificial intelligence discussed in the article which would be sent along with industrial equipment to form the industrial infrastructure of a colony on Mars. Shipments of industrial equipment would precede the shipment of colonists. Sixteen shipments of industrial equipment and four shipments of fifty colonists should be enough to start a colony on an economic basis. The first shipment would be devoted to converting some of Phobos into a space based solar power station. The total cost might be about ten trillion dollars. It is impossible to make any definite cost estimates but the figure of 44 quadrillion dollars just seems excessive to me. More research into what is required and more development of the necessary technologies seems to be what is called for now. - [[User:Farred|Farred]] 06:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC) | :I will make a moderate estimate of one-half-trillion dollars for a human piloted mission to Mars. For this one would get five people and their return vehicle to Mars. I would dispense with the return vehicle and instead assume the development of the artificial intelligence discussed in the article which would be sent along with industrial equipment to form the industrial infrastructure of a colony on Mars. Shipments of industrial equipment would precede the shipment of colonists. Sixteen shipments of industrial equipment and four shipments of fifty colonists should be enough to start a colony on an economic basis. The first shipment would be devoted to converting some of Phobos into a space based solar power station. The total cost might be about ten trillion dollars. It is impossible to make any definite cost estimates but the figure of 44 quadrillion dollars just seems excessive to me. More research into what is required and more development of the necessary technologies seems to be what is called for now. - [[User:Farred|Farred]] 06:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :What people would get for ten trillion dollars would be 45,000 thousand tons of supplies and industrial equipment; including an artificial intelligence for controlling industrial operations and including a space based solar power system of 10 Gigawatts; and 200 colonists. There have been comments made that setting up agricultural production on Mars would be easy considering all of the ice available for melting into water for agricultural use. It would not be easy. Recycling the agricultural and human wastes to produce the required fertilizer inputs would need to be demonstrated on Earth before sending a system in kit form off to Mars. Such a system has not been demonstrated on yet on Earth. The closest technologies that I can think of that have been demonstrated are the Biosphere II project that was not a complete success, municipal sewage treatment systems, and agricultural waste treatment ponds. It is a long way to developing what would be needed on Mars using only inputs available on Mars. A guess at the development cost for such a system is a billion dollars, which when added to the other costs of establishing a Mars colony results in a total cost of ten trillion dollars. This is 44,000 times less than estimated by <nowiki>[[User:Wtf]]</nowiki> but none the less it is a considerable sum. - [[User:Farred|Farred]] 04:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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44 quadrillion dollars for a Mars colony?
In other words, this doesn't make any sense because we can simply just stay on Earth and die for all we care. It will cost approximetly 44 quadrillion dollars, which I cannot find. I bring up 44 quadrillion dollars because I am a part of a massive debate team and we freaking rule. Continuing on, a part in the Negitive debate paaper says that it will cost "44 Quadrillion Dollars." I HAVE LOST COUNTLESS DEBATES BY USING THAT. MY DEBATE COACH WILL NOT LET ME USE ANY OTHER TYPE OF PAPER. SO THANKS A LOT MARSPEDIA!!!!!!!!!! I FREAKING HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- - The preceding comment was added to the article page by User:Wtf at 19:08 hours on the 10th of December 2011
- The figure of 44 quadrillion dollars for a Mars Colony is unsupported. There have been estimates of varying amounts for a human piloted mission to Mars at various times. In April 2004 Mark Thornton gave estimates of one-hundred-seventy-billion dollars and one-trillion dollars.(Bush's Mission to Mars) A January 2004 estimate was between forty and eighty billion dollars.(Bush to announce manned mission to Mars )
- I will make a moderate estimate of one-half-trillion dollars for a human piloted mission to Mars. For this one would get five people and their return vehicle to Mars. I would dispense with the return vehicle and instead assume the development of the artificial intelligence discussed in the article which would be sent along with industrial equipment to form the industrial infrastructure of a colony on Mars. Shipments of industrial equipment would precede the shipment of colonists. Sixteen shipments of industrial equipment and four shipments of fifty colonists should be enough to start a colony on an economic basis. The first shipment would be devoted to converting some of Phobos into a space based solar power station. The total cost might be about ten trillion dollars. It is impossible to make any definite cost estimates but the figure of 44 quadrillion dollars just seems excessive to me. More research into what is required and more development of the necessary technologies seems to be what is called for now. - Farred 06:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
- What people would get for ten trillion dollars would be 45,000 thousand tons of supplies and industrial equipment; including an artificial intelligence for controlling industrial operations and including a space based solar power system of 10 Gigawatts; and 200 colonists. There have been comments made that setting up agricultural production on Mars would be easy considering all of the ice available for melting into water for agricultural use. It would not be easy. Recycling the agricultural and human wastes to produce the required fertilizer inputs would need to be demonstrated on Earth before sending a system in kit form off to Mars. Such a system has not been demonstrated on yet on Earth. The closest technologies that I can think of that have been demonstrated are the Biosphere II project that was not a complete success, municipal sewage treatment systems, and agricultural waste treatment ponds. It is a long way to developing what would be needed on Mars using only inputs available on Mars. A guess at the development cost for such a system is a billion dollars, which when added to the other costs of establishing a Mars colony results in a total cost of ten trillion dollars. This is 44,000 times less than estimated by [[User:Wtf]] but none the less it is a considerable sum. - Farred 04:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
